She was 88had just got back upand I was so inspired by how she got back up that I wrote that poem; I also wrote Blinding the White Horse in Front of Me (2016) basically in the same spurt of energy. 93DR: To pursue with craft questions: in the Norton Anthology of American Literature (1979), in talking about Marianne Moore, they say: Pound writes with the phrase, Williams writes with the line, H.D writes with the image, Wallace Stevens and Gertrude Stein write with the word, but Marianne Moore writes with the entire stanza, and I was just wondering if there was a unit that you use? I knew him in New York, where I saw him from time to time; but after I moved here, he sought me out. I could have a conversation about Royal Trux: a very chaotic indie group, sometimes awful, sometimes amazingly brilliant. Middletown, CT: Wesleyan University Press, 2006. . His reviews and interviews have appeared in Kenyon Review, The Rumpus, and Pleiades. Alice Notleywas born in Bisbee, Arizona, in 1945 and grew up in Needles, California. Why poetry is necessary and sought after during crises. Like the Hollywood marriage in this poem, Notley and Berrigans creative partnership was loving, mutually enriching, and, as she shows us here, a bit magical. DR: There are some lines from your poems, wrought like those in Stein, that one could carry in ones head all day and it would color that day; for example, that thinks but not only on words is one; all thats left of the old world are beautiful voices, is another that might change ones day. NOTLEY, Alice. Notleys recent work includes From the Beginning (2004), Alma, or the Dead Women (2006), Grave of Light: New and Selected Poems 1970-2005, which received the Lenore Marshall Poetry Prize, In the Pines (2007), Culture of One (2011), Songs and Stories of the Ghouls (2011), Benediction (2015), and Certain Magical Acts (2016). I grew up among Native Americans. There are others of course, but could you begin by speaking around those atmospheres? In her earlier work, Notley often incorporated the speech of people around her, particularly her children (as in her masterpiece January). A calligram by Guillaume Apollinaire, from La Petite Auto (1918). This is perhaps one of Notleys ways of repurposing male influences: what for Apollinaire seemed like a bold transcription of modern life, evoking the frenetic motion of photography and film, is for Notley a figure of timelessness and stillness, a place where picture and pictogram cant be fully pulled apart. DR: Also Im coming back often to that poem, In this Paradise, about the food-stamp office. 70DR: Was the teaching of poetry workshops something that connected you to Kenneth Koch? Notley gave birth to her and Berrigan's second child, Edmund Berrigan, at Colchester Hospital in 1974. He was my political education really. 12DR: Thats what Ted Berrigan was about: taking things from here and there, picking them up, and making them his own. I use the collages to go on without thinking with words. , CA, c.1985, courtesy of the artist, re-photographed by Daesong Kim. After the workshop ended, Notley teamed up with students to print copies of their works on the mimeograph machine in the St. Mark's basement. At that stage, Allen Ginsberg, a really fine person, was extremely supportive. Need a transcript of this episode? In fact he taught the same undergraduate classes for years and years, refusing to teach graduate students becausehe saidthey couldnt learn anything, were already set in their ways. 118AN: It was definitely weird to get food stamps. Ted had left Sandy; I was living in sin with Ted, which Peggy didnt seem to mind at all, as she liked me a lot. [4] Notley's second book, Phoebe Light, was published in 1973 by Bill Berkson's Bolinas-based press Big Sky.[5]. Flowery mantle. Homeric sacrifice? noise of darkness fear of, darkness now mantle of innocence King of his death now Home, Ive come home He said, Ive come home They were sacrificed for, nothing, for distant instants of thought All for your thinking, Illustration courtesy of Sophie Herxheimer, The Goddess Who Created This Passing World. Though I didnt know I was being influenced by him again when I was doing Alette. In response, another woman informs: "'he . That is just the beginning. I use the collages to go on without thinking with words. I'm calling out from pictures to your vision creating it. Notley. poets act like a middle-aged mother trying to get her kids to eat too Notleys writing at this time begins to shift away from singular poems and toward book-length projects with overarching styles and themes. Reading The Descent of Alette was like listening to Alice Coltrane for fourteen hours while riding the NYC subway at 3AM in the 1980s. DR: Its incredible because, I just re-read. Kilkenny (irlands: Cill Chainnigh [cil xani], que significa 'iglesia de Cainnech') es una ciudad en el condado de Kilkenny, Irlanda. That particular poem is in your selected poems, in, , and it was presented upright on the page, but it was published in a review called. What if youre not sure what kind of person you are? I felt I knew what the cry house was, and had ideas about it: I knew how to use regional things. I think all poets do that; its also something out of the tradition of folk music. From February through June 1974 in Wivenhoe, Essex, Notley wrote her book Songs for the Unborn Second Baby (United Artists, 1979). Or, as Notley puts it, the trick is to Try to get new language // closer to that of thought. But it goes Of asphodel, that greeny flower I come my sweet to sing. Its a long line that can take in short lines, which I did in, . Detroit was burning and poetry was on fire. The indeterminacy, one suspects, is the point. Like somebody live in some city. And that other one was something I just picked up from the sidewalk. New York: Penguin Books, 1977. I have some Cherokee Blood, perhaps one-sixteenth Cherokee. Just like I did. The jacket copy attempts to sketch the books plot: the protagonist, named One, is suddenly within the Glyph. It emasculates her. Doug [Oliver] had died, and it was 2001. She has also been a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize. In the spring of 1976, Notley and her family returned to New York, and her husband Ted fell ill with hepatitis, a disease he suffered from until his death in 1983. Notley's elegiac work during this era, including her poems "Beginning With a Stain" and "At Night the States," is some of her most widely celebrated. I went downstairs. 50AN: Well possiblyI take in a lot of things that I dont know about, or that I dont remember. 122DR: Anne Waldman was an important figure with the [St. Marks] poetry project. AN: I do not expect to be well known in the universities because that context tends to be too academic, and generally French poetry is in a bad place. AN: I use all those units and I am aware of how they overlap. I figured it out afterwards. We were all born in 1945, and despite a certain competitiveness at first, became good friends. much cooked meat, and potatoes with drippings (tears). 115DR: Also Im coming back often to that poem, In this Paradise, about the food-stamp office. It emasculates her. I think its just all out there. Benjamin Voigt grew up on a small farm in upstate New York. 44AN: That photo in the middle is me at age ten, I think. On Ted Berrigans exuberant and idiosyncratic prose. The Circus (1971). ALICE NOTLEY has been hailed as one of the United States's greatest living poets.She is the author of more than 25 books of poetry and the recipient of numerous awards, including, most recently . At Berrigan's behest, his students at Northeastern became very active members of the local poetry scene, starting magazines and reading series. I thought that they were voices of dead French people, but they just came from everywhere; the voices came for that poem. 62I am furious about people calling their speech against Trump the resistance. However, I have a poem, which happened to be written before Trump was elected, in an anti-Trump-type anthology thats coming out because I figure any place I can get a poem published is an occasion to seize. Notley also thanks Tom Clark who would go on to re-publish the sonnet cycle in his anthology All Stars. Theres a poem where you talk about meeting Teds mother. I wrote a poem about it in Alma, or The Dead Women (2006). DR: Was the teaching of poetry workshops something that connected you to Kenneth Koch? Alice Notley was born on November 8, 1945, in Bisbee, Arizona, and grew up in Needles, California. As in I the People, the speaker in this masterpiece questions the relationship between person and nation and between private and publicbut this time in the face of great personal loss. Ones not overshadowed like in forests elsewhere, but its particularly harsh, and hot: the Mojave goes up to 120-125 [Fahrenheit], sometimes. She was married the British poet Douglas Oliver until his death in 2000. NOTLEY, Alice. The Indians said: No, we wont do it, but we will send people to teach them to you. The tribes then would send the people to Prescott, and every year they would teach these businessmen dances. Instagram, I made this in about 2005. I quoted from Songs for the Unborn Second Baby (1979). 22DR: Like Ted Berrigan and Anne Waldman reading at Saint Marks church their collaborative poem, Memorial Day (May 6, 1971), that episode of Public Access Television, June 16, 1977, where you and Eileen Myles read together must count among the great New York School moments still on record. Instead of ushering us toward received truth or false comfort, her work searches and invites us to look for ourselves. Your Dailiness. 165 Meeting House Lane. AN: Yes, towards the end of number fourteen, the last one. Eileen was in it, as was Bob Holman. The Indians said: No, we wont do it, but we will send people to teach them to you. The tribes then would send the people to Prescott, and every year they would teach these businessmen dances. Alice Notley (born November 8, 1945) is an American poet. That was one of the first things Ted [Berrigan] told me about John: he kept a list of titles, like Civilization and Its Discontents, then he would decide, Ah, that would be a great title for a poem, and then later he would check his list and pull that title out. New York: Knopf, 1998. Courtesy of the artist, re-photographed by Daesong Kim, April 2018. OHaras insouciance has made his work popularan antidote to the high seriousness that poetry sometimes invokes to prove its worth. YouTube. The signature of her work is a restless reinvention and a distrust of groupthink that remains true to her forebears directive: to not give a damn. . 120DR: He was deeply inspired by the Hindu tradition, which was brave and opens the culture up. Thats why my poetry works so well. 39DR: It seems to be an inspired collage. 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DR: Historically, painting is central to cultural New York and to New York poetry. These places are continuously operating as presences in your poetry, particularly the Needles of your youth, in California, the Lower Manhattan in the heyday of New York School Poetry, and the Paris of today. Or both but instantly. , in a Chicago museum. The circle of younger poets who spent time with Notley and Berrigan included the aforementioned members of the Yellow Press team, Barbara Barg, Rochelle Kraut, Rose Lesniak, Bob Rosenthal, Steve Levine, Simon Schuchat, Tim Milk, and several others. Other possible issues: goofy works, "description," dreams (the new gen), school of Susie Timmons, rejuvenation of the "found work," the "line," how to be like Elinor [Nauen] and Maggie [Dubris], how to cultivate inventiveness, strategies for dry spell, dictionaries, diaries, little plays, calligrams, tiles, left-hand margins, how to get great theories and general self-improvement. Would you like to come? I didnt go. She describes it as an immense act of rebellion against dominant social forces, against the fragmented forms of modern poetry, against the way a poem was supposed to look according to both past and contemporary practice. The narrator, Alette, finds herself in a feminist epic, on a subway, traveling deeper and deeper in the tunnels, into an underworld filled with caves and otherworldly characters. Twitter, For your work, from that angle, the place to start would be the collages you make, visual art. Then he writes poetry in the variable foot which is a huge influence on my later work. 76AN: Well I grew up in the Southwest. One day she took a lot of pills in a quasi-suicide attempt, when I was there, and then she just had to be rescued from this life of working a lot, not having enough, and too little company. [14] Several poems from her 2007 collection In the Pines were set to music by the Canadian indie pop band AroarA for their 2014 Polaris Music Prize-nominated 2013 EP In the Pines[15] and in Fall 2014, a conference celebrating Notley's work was held at the Bay Area Public School in Oakland, California. She has long written in narrative and epic and genre-bending modes to discover new ways to explore the nature of the self and the social and cultural importance of disobedience. I was wondering if your poems that address completely despicable people might be a case of carrying the enemy on the shoulder. Of her 1983 workshop, Notley wrote: I expect my workshop will be similar to past Alice Notley workshops: same old format, assignments, xeroxes, forms, occasions, geometries, kinds of poems, speculations on and practice of the lofty and the silly. In a swerve from the feminine epic, For the Ride seems to want to speak from a place outside of gender, another shrugging-off of what readers have come to expect from Notley. (1945) a couple of years ago because she was being bashed in the States again: they were underlining her Vichy connections in order to make her into a kind of villain, without any regard for how difficult it must have been: a lesbian living with another lesbian, in her sixties, in a country that wasnt her own country, Jewish, thus a prime candidate for the camps. I think its just all out there. STEIN, Gertrude. And that other one was something I just picked up from the sidewalk. For me, Williams mostly writes by the word. And with popularity comes influence: one thinks of the sunny romanticism and Instagram-readiness of Having a Coke with You (the more abstract, difficult side of OHaras work has yet to gain influencer status). always reinventing my practice, discovering what I believe is true and Lipstick, Queens, 1947 these were things he just wrote down on this list of possible titles. Its deliberate, in order to find something out. Ill read a part of it: Alice Notley, Where Leftover Misery Goes inGrave of Light, Wesleyan University Press, 2006 (p.292-293), reproduced with permission of the author. 116AN: I was there. ALICE NOTLEY has published more than twenty collections of poems. The text is visually striking with quotation marks surrounding each poetic foot, intended to slow the reader down and indicate the pace at which the book is to be read. I would like some help. Whereupon, she just totally melted. MYLES, Eileen. Entitled The Speak Angel Series, her latest collection of new material is forthcoming from . In 1972, Notley married Berrigan and the two moved to Chicago where Berrigan had been given Ed Dorn's newly vacated teaching position at Northeastern Illinois University. Descent would grow to be Notley's most widely read and taught collection after its reprinting by Penguin in 1996. NOTLEY, Alice. vol. BRETON, Andr. Which is something that John Ashbery would probably have agreed with, in a way. 4. In her essay The Poetics of Disobedience, Notley writes, I've been trying to train myself for thirty or forty years not to believe anything anyone tells me. In this apocalyptic, darkly funny, and, indeed, gutsy poem from Songs and Stories of the Ghouls (2011), Notley indicts logic itselfthe so-called common sense that reduces poetry to gender and experience to the known and erases whole cities in the whirlwind of war. She is, to borrow the title from her 2011 collection, a culture of onea singular voice and the medium of many. Among her two newest volumes are Eurynomes Sandals (Presses Universitaires de Rouen, 2019) and For the Ride (Penguin Books, 2020). Ad Choices. Death is for a moment, beauty is for all time, about World War II and people being away at the war. 123AN: I wrote an essay about her work in a book of essays called Coming After (2005), and I have essays in it about her and Joanne Kyger, Ted Berrigan, Lorenzo Thomas, Frank OHara, and some others. One year at a big Thanksgiving dinner, I sat next to the poet Michel Deguy; many of his friends in Paris were met for instance when playing tennis. I had this education, so I could have been doing something else but did not want to, was animated by a desire to write poetry, which is truly valuable: I was writing peoples culture for the future. At the same moment, at Saint Marks, Bernadette Mayer, Anne Waldman, and I taught poetry workshops. Of course, we salute their past: all the greats, Guillaume Apollinaire and Pierre Reverdy, and some well-known others. An introduction to one ofthe most lasting styles of mid-century American poetry. 67My poem The Prophet (1981) is based on his poem Some General Instructions (1971). My collages actually reflect the situation of overabundance. Somewhere, I have a photo of my father with a snake in his mouth and every year that he did it, he got a little tattoo of a star on his hand; and my mother danced the year she was pregnant with me the. Notley citesin parta reading by Robert Creeley as early inspiration for her writing more poetry. Dsamre. French poetry was aimless, became philosophical, though now there are some younger poets that are starting to put the concrete back in, but slowly; I discussed it with French poets a few years ago, who confirmed for me that French poetry became abstract out of trauma from World War II, the occupation, and everything, authors being too traumatized to speak concretely. Alice Notley, Live in Seattle, Portland, WA: Fonograf Editions (Octopus Books), 2019. I used to substitute teach for him, sometimes, at Brooklyn College. First, the way the fan that tapers at the top disorients the view, because the fan is supposed to open up, not reduce. I started noticing my dreams before I met Ted [Berrigan], but he used his dreams, and I just started doing it more after I was with him; then, after he died I did it even more. Im closely influenced by them, and working with Apollinaire at the moment. I thought that that printing added something, though: I enjoyed turning the book to read the poem. In reframing and re-empowing Dido and Medea, she is writing a meditation on destruction. Instead of second-guessing their style, we could talk about the way they handled the tasks. Ann Arbor: University of Michigan Press, 2005. Whether it's an object or a person, the over-accentuation of gender in relation to form allows for the. Its small and a bit fragile. New York: Granary Books, 2006. Light as airmail paper away she flew. White Phosphorus Notley's experimentation with poetic form, seen in her books 165 Meeting House Lane, When I Was Alive, The Descent of Alette, and Culture of One, ranges from a blurred line between genres, to a quotation-mark driven interpretation of the variable foot, to a full reinvention of the purpose and potential of strict rhythm and meter. New York: New Directions, 1962. , Portland, WA: Fonograf Editions (Octopus Books), 2019. Nadja who sees things before they happen next and is just carted off: the status of mediums becomes a metaphor for the status of poetry in society. This period also marked an increase in scholarly interest in Notley's work. Among the most powerful moments in her work are the ones marked by her teaching poetry workshops in New York and her self-publishing the book. Orpheus is a stand-in for poetry. Est construido en ambas orillas del ro Nore. This novel in poems, as its jacket copy describes it, covers the life of Marie, a woman who lives in a shack in the town dump. In this interview, she mentions other New York Poets (John Ashbery, James Schuyler, Frank OHara, Kenneth Koch, Ron Padgett, Eileen Myles, Anne Waldman, Joe Brainard, Allan Ginsberg, and Bernadette Mayer). Notleys latest collection, For the Ride, a sprawling book-length poem, continues her trajectory into the unknown: anything happens here / in the magic of ones chaos. 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